tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post3049117520990514474..comments2024-01-22T18:22:29.391-08:00Comments on hedera's corner: Who Are We, Anyway?hederahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01696592301686568456noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-21114299825852673392009-10-02T01:31:33.043-07:002009-10-02T01:31:33.043-07:00Aunt Sam, I'll let my remark stand on its own....Aunt Sam, I'll let my remark stand on its own.RONWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10685861839372504999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-83124217619228506052009-09-29T15:48:53.304-07:002009-09-29T15:48:53.304-07:00I don't know, Curtis. If we're trying to s...I don't know, Curtis. If we're trying to see who can set the bar lowest regarding crassness, I'd offer up Tucker Max's I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell against nearly any rap vid. <br /><br />I had doubts about whether Joe Wilson's comment was racist or just disrespectful, until someone reframed it as, "Would he have said that if it were a white man standing at the podium speaking?" And I don't think Bill Clinton, despite similar politics and a general lack of respect from the Repub power brokers, would have been treated the same way.<br /><br />And Ron, seriously? "Does Obama even talk like any black that you know of?" Do you have any idea how limited that remark makes you sound? <br /><br />I think what the Newsweek article tried to get across was that while race differences can be overcome, it won't happen simply by osmosis. Some effort needs to be made, especially to take the next step.<br /><br />~Aunt SamAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-23348230043721056812009-09-23T11:14:27.457-07:002009-09-23T11:14:27.457-07:00He talks like ANY well educated, intelligent perso...He talks like ANY well educated, intelligent person I know, regardless of skin color. That is my point. I have heard inner city black kids talking their slang, I have heard rural white kids talk theirs. The only difference is in the words they use, not their attitude or their ignorance. I have seen those same kids, regardless of skin color, "put away childish things" when they grew up and gained an education. Heck, for all you know, I'm black.<br /><br />We need to break away from trying to require people to behave a certain way based on their color, that is my point.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04511092878720566377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-15648665844726556812009-09-22T04:37:10.828-07:002009-09-22T04:37:10.828-07:00Stephen, even today in Hawaii there aren't bla...Stephen, even today in Hawaii there aren't black neighborhoods, much less five houses next to each other that are lived in by blacks, and this was even more the case when Obama was growing up. Does Obama even talk like any black that you know of?RONWhttp://www.hotelwaikiki.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-29777295986993058282009-09-21T15:17:39.242-07:002009-09-21T15:17:39.242-07:00hedera:
Let's try this one more time:
You sa...hedera:<br /><br />Let's try this one more time:<br /><br />You said:<br /><br />"Her column concluded (reluctantly, she says) that the screaming objections to Obama and his policies really are racial.<br /><br />Of course they are."<br /><br />I don't know which "screaming objections" you're referring to here, but people are entitled to get exercised over any policy they disagree with, whether that policy is promulgated by a Black or a White executive or legislator. The cooked-up Tea Party and Town Hall demonstrations aren't about race--I haven't seen that reported at all. They seem purely "political"--i.e., they're about disagreements based on budget, social policy, etc. They are anything but "racial." <br /><br />"Of course they are."<br /><br />No, they're not.<br /><br />Even Obama himself has grown weary of this line of thinking, and has attempted to redirect debate back to the real issues. That sounds like common sense to me.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-39252850825829116222009-09-21T11:42:58.942-07:002009-09-21T11:42:58.942-07:00RonW's comment is totally off point. My post ...RonW's comment is totally off point. My post dealt not with Obama's blackness, but with white people's attitudes and response to their own whiteness, and their stereotypes of what blacks are or aren't.<br /><br />Curtis is also somewhat off point. I wasn't considering the existence or lack of same of a "black" culture. I actually think there is a certain amount of "reverse racism" in the black community, leading to the charges of "Uncle Tomism" that Curtis mentions (remember the flap when Bill Cosby got up and said what he did?); but that isn't my point. <br /><br />My point is that a sizeable part of the flap over President Obama - <i>all</i> the flaps over President Obama - stems from the fact that, for a lot of white people, his very existence is a challenge to stereotypes and attitudes they're not even really aware they have, or don't admit they have.<br /><br />And Stephen - right on, as we used to say in the Sixties.hederahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01696592301686568456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-22779195111141417092009-09-21T11:14:25.362-07:002009-09-21T11:14:25.362-07:00So, can I be an accidental white? How do you be ...So, can I be an accidental white? How do you be accidentally a race? Can you show me a deliberate black? Someone who, I assume, chose to be black?<br /><br />What nonsence. Race is absolutely irrelevant to who you are and what you can become. White people are not born with certian "inherited" attitudes and idea's any more than Black or brown or yellow. The only thing that matters is the choices you make, what you make of yourself.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04511092878720566377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-75516685079229709782009-09-20T03:14:11.097-07:002009-09-20T03:14:11.097-07:00Obama is an accidental black. He rarely even talke...Obama is an accidental black. He rarely even talked to a black person growing up in Hawaii much less related to afro-americanism.RONWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10685861839372504999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20417751.post-72734840615358033272009-09-18T19:23:04.714-07:002009-09-18T19:23:04.714-07:00I shall dare to disagree with you here, at the ris...I shall dare to disagree with you here, at the risk of seeming (unconsciously, I presume you may think), in fact, to be "racist" myself.<br /><br />There has grown up in this country a notion, buttressed by French philosophical principles (intuitive nonsense, really), that there must be a separate "reality" called "black" cultural paradigm (for want of a better term), which has all the integrity of clear thinking, but is just expressed through what to Americans (read "normal" educated people) "sounds like" a sophisticated form of "jive," on an equal footing with traditional Western thinking and language.<br /><br />Americans have watched as a bankrupt "black" culture has foisted off a repulsive musical and literary "revolution" of peremptory crassness and deliberately self-conscious and aggressive "uppitiness" which we're encouraged to think of and accept as a valid alternative to rational thinking, and social fairness.<br /><br />Blacks who don't subscribe to this paradigm are de-facto "Uncle Toms" and are only fit to shill for neo-Conservatives. Any Black person who speaks literately and sensibly must be compromised, must be deeply corrupt and disloyal to his racial priority.<br /><br />Anyone who criticizes a Black person--whatever the context, whatever the occasion, whatever the means--must by definition be a racist, just as anyone who calls for control of our Southern borders must be definition be a racist (against Hispanics). <br /><br />This is so entirely naive and ridiculous that it hardly bears repeating, but it does. <br /><br />Obama's ideas and policies are entitled to the same unbiased criticism and scrutiny as any white President man's. Or any white or Black woman President's. Period. Unless someone calls him "nigger" or "darkie" or something other than "man" or "Mr. President" there is NO RACIST CONTENT on its face. Words do matter! Let's be concise. Let's be rational. Let's not get mystical. <br /><br />The jerk who blurted out "You lie" was just being rude, just being an idiot. He should probably be suspended for two months. As if he'd smacked his third grade teacher with a ruler.Curtis Favillehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06213075853354387634noreply@blogger.com